FALCONER AND WATTS FLEET LIST

 

THE FIRST FIFTEEN COACHES, AS RECALLED BY P. W. WATTS
Reg. No. Chassis /
Chassis No.
Body /
Body No.
Year /
Seats
Purchased / Sold Previous Owner
? Fiat ? ?
14
1922 – ? C. Hinton, Cardiff
? Crossley J. Norman ?
14
1925 – ? C. Hinton, Cardiff
? Crossley J. Norman ?
14
1927 – ? ?
? Bean ? ?
14
? ?
? Crossley ? ? ? C. Hinton, Cardiff
? Clement-Talbot ? ?
14
? War Department
? Berliet ? ?
29
? ?
? Berliet ? ?
29
? ?
? Berliet ? ?
29
? ?
? Lancia ? ?
27
1930 – ? ?
? Lancia ? ? ? ?
? Reo ? ? ? ?
? Reo ? ? ? ?
? Reo ? ? ? ?
UH 7564 Leyland Tiger TS2
60871 (or 60870 ?)
Burlingham (with canvas roof) 1930
32
08/1938 (or 1934 ?) – around 02/1941 (New to) Cridland’s, Cardiff (see Footnote 3)

 

VARIOUS COACHES ACQUIRED SUBSEQUENTLY
Reg. No. Chassis /
Chassis No.
Body /
Body No.
Year /
Seats
Purchased / Sold Previous Owner
BXM ? Bedford ? 1935 ? ?
NOTE : Perhaps BXM 568 (see Footnote 2)
DPU ? Bedford ? 1936 ? ?
BDL 322 Bedford WTB Duple 1937
C25F
03/1941 – ? Coombes Brothers, Shanklin, Isle of Wight
NOTE : This was the first coach to carry the golden brown and light buff livery
HLG 101 Bedford WLB 109178 Duple
3701
1933
C17F ?
1946 – 1948 Sykes Motor Tours, Sale (new to J. Pearson & Sons, Liverpool)
NOTE : Also, at various times, registered LV 4640 and BMN 802 (see Footnote 1)
UJ 7338 Bedford ? 1936 ? ?
DAD 240 Bedford WTB 112329 Duple
5210
1938
C25F
? – 06/1951 ?
NOTE : DAD 240 was rebodied for Falconer and Watts by Hall and Baynum of Cardiff

 

COACHES ACQUIRED FROM 1947 ONWARD
Reg. No. Chassis / Chassis No. Body /
Body No.
Year /
Seats
Purchased / Sold Previous Owner
DKG 759 Commer Commando
17A0631
Harrington
170
1947
C29F
09/1947 – ? New
EKG 466 Commer Q4
15B5643S
Thurgood (first bodied as a coach 1948)
504
1948
C33F
09/1948 – ? New (previously a War Department vehicle : Falconer and Watts was the first owner of the vehicle as a coach)
EKG 674 Commer Q4 Commando 15A38165 Pearson (first bodied as a coach 1949) 1949
C30F
1949 – 04/1952 New (previously a War Department vehicle : Falconer and Watts was the first owner of the vehicle as a coach)
EDM 324 Leyland
PS1/1 Tiger
470565
Pearson 1947
C33F
1951 – ? (New to) W. G. Richardson & Sons, Buckley
DAW 473 Bedford OB
31145
Duple
43059
1946
C29F
1950 – ? ?
NOTE : according to PSV Circle records, DAW 473 was later exported to Cyprus and reregistered TAD 858
FBO 57 Bedford OB Duple 1950
C29F
1950 – ? New
KXJ 287 Bedford OB
137922
Duple
49721
1950
C29F
1951 – ? (New to) Silver Grey (Morecambe Motors), Morecambe
DVL 789 Bedford OB
129442
Duple
55825
1950
C29F
1951 – ? Coastal Coaches, Hull (new to Green, Doncaster in May 1950)
GBO 319 Bedford SBG
5767
Duple
1006/486
1951
C33F
1951 – ? New
JTX 505 Commer Avenger 23A0348 Plaxton
1087
1950
C33F
? – ? James (F. James Luxury Tours), Pontarddulais
NKG 507 Bedford SBG 50296 Duple Vega 1074/90 1957
C41F
1957 – 16/03/65 New
GTH 180 Bedford SBG Duple 1951
C33F
1959 – ? Thomas, Llangadog
LVC 408 Karrier Q25 32A0725 Reading 1952
C14F
? – 04/1963 E. Shaw & Son, Maxey
ODW 831 Bedford SB3 60714 Duple Vega 1090/146 1958
C41F
1961 – 16/03/65 R. Williams, Newport (Gwent)
VNP 400 Bedford C4Z2 2313 Duple Vista 108954 1958
C29F
1961 – 08/11/65 ?
218 GPH Bedford SB3 63123 Duple Vega 1090 352 1958
C41F
1961 – 16/03/65 ?
RHP 919 Karrier AF 2523 52
A2322
Reading
5195
1955
C14F
1962 – 19/01/67 ?
PTK 514 Bedford SB3 85089 Duple Super Vega
72243
1961
C41F
16/03/65 – 01/04/71 Cosy Coaches, Poole
33 SRB Bedford SB3 85260 Duple Super Vega
72244
1961
C41F
16/03/65 – 12/06/69 Blue Bus, WIllington
4281 TJ Bedford VAS/1 1435 Duple Bella Vista
75214
1963
C29F
08/11/65 – 29/06/67 Davies and Mawson, Walkden
DUE 512C Bedford VAS/1 1815 Duple Bella Vista
77411
1965
C29F
29/06/67 – 14/10/71 Cotton’s Coaches, Rugby
BOT 21C Commer ¾ ton Series II A LBD
340883
Harrington
CO 311
1965
Mb12
19/11/68 – 26/01/71 Fleet Coaches, Fleet
3097 UP Bedford SB5 91186 Duple Bella Vega
74996
1963
C41F
12/06/69 – 05/06/70 Fred Burley, Selby
OMB 4D Bedford SB3 6819582 Duple Bella Vega
78720
17/02/66
C41F
26/05/70 – 31/08/72 M. Thomson, Stoke-on-Trent
YAP 423 Bedford J2SZ2 136770 Duple
C/F J2/134
01/12/62
B19F
02/08/70 – 21/08/72 C. K. Barnett, Kings Langley (new to Russell of Letchworth)
NOTE : YAP 423 also had a courier seat
FNT 234D Bedford SB3 6817870 Duple Bella Vega
78473
01/04/66
C41F
01/04/71 – 03/05/72 M. Thomson, Stoke-on-Trent
JKT 109E Bedford VAS 5 7832103 Duple Vista 25 80013 01/05/67
C29F
14/10/71 – 23/01/73 Bywater, Rochdale
KRP 2E Bedford VAM 5 6861022 Duple Viceroy 80072 16/03/67
C45F
27/04/72 – 28/08/74 Heeps, Guilsborough
BHA 365C Bedford J2SZ10
220331
Duple
J2 / 272 / 77135
01/01/65
C19F
05/06/72 – 05/10/74 Thistle, Doncaster (new to Morris of Bearwood)
NOTE : BHA 365C also had a courier seat
KDY 220H Bedford VAM 70 TRP2D9T 466234 Duple Viceroy 82196 07/04/70
C45F
22/08/72 – 26/10/75 Hastings Coachways, St. Leonards-on-Sea
CKG 470L Bedford VAS 5 472741 Duple Vista 25 248 70 01/02/73
C29F
01/03/73 – 30/04/75 New
MBM 585G Ford R226 55750 Plaxton Panorama Elite 702819 23/07/69
C53F
04/04/73 – 13/02/75 Terraneau, South Molton (new to Smith, Long Itchington)
RVO 285F Ford Transit Custom 118″ BC05GM07600/DAP Deansgate Luxury Coach 10/05/68
C12F
26/09/73 – 20/12/74 Stan Davies, Cardiff
FUP 821C Ford 676 E A39335 Duple Mariner 77682 19/03/65
C52F
04/05/74 – 30/09/75 Tellyn, Romford
HDA 290J Ford R226 BCO4KA48558 Duple Viceroy 37 230 / 154 13/07/71
C53F
14/08/74 – 11/03/78 Goldline, London
LLG 923L Austin-Morris 440-EA
011149F
Asco Clubman 7220402 06/12/72
C19F
08/01/75 – 16/02/78 Crawford, Crawley
NOTE : LLG 923L may have been exhibited at the 1972 Commercial Motor Show, as 8286 ZD
HDW 873N Ford R1114 BCO4PB55337 Plaxton Panorama Elite III
7511FC046
11/02/75
C53F
14/02/75 – 12/04/81 New
XKN 158J Ford R192 BCO4KA46530 Plaxton Panorama Elite II
712601
18/03/71
C45F
02/05/75 – see below (New to) Heasman, Gillingham
NOTE : XKN 158J apparently featured in a 1992 BBC documentary about travellers
BOD 807L Ford R1114 BCO4MR59019 Duple Dominant
270 367
09/03/73
C53F
26/10/75 – 17/11/78 Waddon, Caerphilly (new to Trathen, Yelverton)
MTX 106P Ford R1014 BCO4RM63671 Duple Dominant
621 4018
01/05/76
C45F
03/05/76 – 06/05/80 New
349 DMJ Bedford J2SZ7 84383 Plaxton
612510
25/02/61
C20F
20/07/76 – 17/02/77 Smith, Molash (new to Taylor of Meppershall, apparently as C18F)
NOTE 1 : 349 DMJ had been an award-winner in the Seventh British Coach Rally in Brighton in 1961
NOTE 2 : 349 DMJ was hardly, if ever, used, as it was originally purchased to be fitted with a new chassis
RHB 114R Ford A0609 BCLBSG61583 Moseley Continental Faro III
102477
22/04/77
C25F
12/05/77 – 28/10/80 New
NOTE : RHB 114R was entered in the 1977 British Coach Rally in Brighton, but failed to win any awards
LNV 1E Bedford VAL 70 7807347 Duple Viceroy 80766 09/06/67
C52F
11/03/78 – 22/11/78 Walton’s, Cardiff
NOTE : LNV 1E was never operated
UTG 320S Ford R1114 Tornado BCO4TC65204 Plaxton Supreme 7811FCMT069 01/03/78
C53F
25/04/78 – see below New
NOTE : UTG 320S was entered in the 1978 British Coach Rally in Brighton, but failed to win any awards
XKG 808T Ford R1114 BCO4TD60086 Duple Dominant II 923/4427 15/01/79
C53F
17/01/79 – see below New
DKG 321V Ford R1114 Tornado BCRSWC494110 Plaxton Supreme IV 80.11.FC.007 01/01/80
C53F
17/01/80 – see below New
NOTE : DKG 321V was entered in the 1980 British Coach Rally in Brighton, but failed to win any awards
CNY 812V Ford A0609 BCLWWK364230 Moseley Continental Faro III
147779
15/08/79
C25F
03/11/80 – see below Main Line, Tonyrefail
GBO 304W Ford R1114 BCRSAB454980 Duple Dominant SDIV 123/4566 22/04/81
C53F
29/04/81 – see below New
NOTE 1 : GBO 304W was entered in the 1981 British Coach Rally in Brighton, and won the ‘Cymru Trophy’
NOTE 2 : As of October 23 2006, GBO 304W was in the Kells Transport Museum in Ireland, reregistered 81 KE 398

 

Note : the year in column 4 is the approximate date built, but, if a full date is given, this is the date of original registration

 

Footnote 1 : HLG 101 was originally registered LV 4640, when new to J. Pearson & Sons (Happy Days Motorways), Liverpool 7/33. To Crosville 5/35 as U49. Renumbered U12 in 1936. To Corlett, Douglas, Isle of Man 3/37 as C17F, and re-registered BMN802. To Sykes Motor Tours, Sale 3/42, and re-registered HLG 101. To Falconer and Watts, Cardiff 10/46. To C. W. Andrews, Cheddow Fitzpaine, Somerset 1948. Last licensed 9/51. (I am indebted to Dick Gilbert for this information and for other details in this fleet list)
NB : A Crosville fleet list (http://www.petergould.co.uk/local_transport_history/fleetlists/crosville2.htm) has LV 4640 as C16F (September 15 2011)

 

Footnote 2 (from http://wakefieldfiles.co.uk/bxm568.htm) : “BXM 568 (CMN 986), one of the earliest surviving Bedford coaches, has found a new owner who will restore it to its former glory. Built on a Bedford WTL goods chassis with a Duple 20-seat coach body (chassis number 875523 and body number 5058), it was supplied new in June 1935 to Mitcham Belle Coaches, Mitcham, Surrey. Later, in 1938, it went to the Isle of Man, to Cronin, trading as Sunny Hours Coaches, where it did tours around the island. It was re registered CMN 986 … Returning to the mainland in 1962, it reverted back to BXM 568, passing to Jones of Winchester, and then later to Priory Coaches of Gosport (its last PSV operator).”

 

Footnote 3 : There is a great deal of confusion regarding this coach, which was discussed in the Leyland Torque Magazine issues 30, 31 and 35. Mr. Watts had believed it to have been acquired in 1934 and to have been rebodied by Duple in 1936. However Torque said (Issue 30) “… The chassis is one of a pair of Tiger TS1s (amended to TS2 in subsequent issues), chassis numbers 60870-1, UH 7563-4, which were new to Cridland of Cardiff in 1930 …” ; (Issue 31) “… Thereafter it passed to J. Knape (Jubilee Motors) of Burnley, and then with other Tigers to Central of Walsall 2/41, and quickly on to Mann of Smethwick in 9/41 …” ; and (Issue 35) “Leyland Tiger TS2, UH 7564 (Torque Nos. 30-1) : Chris Taylor confirms most of the published history : it was new to Cridland, passing to Falconer & Watts of Llanishen, Cardiff in August 1938. Falconer advertised it for sale in February 1941 as a 32-seat Leyland Tiger Burlingham coach. Mr. Falconer told Chris that it still had a canvas roof when sold. Its use in Walsall 3/41 and Smethwick 1/42 is confirmed. The body thus would have needed major updating, at least, and no doubt this was carried out in the West Midlands.”

CUK 511C (a 1965 Ford Duple Mariner 52-seater) and PLG 109H (a 1970 Ford Plaxton Panorama Elite 45-seater) were both hired from coach dealers Don Everall of Wolverhampton for short periods in 1974, but were never owned.

The six coaches passed to Warners Fairfax Tours of Tewkesbury when Falconer and Watts was sold on April 07 1982 were XKN 158J, UTG 320S, XKG 808T, DKG 321V, CNY 812V, and GBO 304W.